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Moderator of r/news, speaking officiallyScore hidden · 3 days ago · Stickied comment

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Three men and one woman in custody, a number of IEDs attached to vehicles have been intercepted.

https://twitter.com/jacksonw____/status/1106413769276612609?s=21

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4.2k points · 4 days ago · edited 3 days ago

Notably, KEBAB REMOVER was written on the gun (referring to a viral video from the '90s about Turkish ethnic cleansing) and MALTA 1565 on the foregrip, referring to the Great Siege of Malta.

These alone show his motivations.

edit: the video was Bosnian.

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2.1k points · 4 days ago · edited 4 days ago

Not Turkish, Bosniak. Serbs called us “Turks” in a derogatory way during the 90’s.

Additionally, he had “Miloš Obilić” written on a magazine, a Serb knight who participated in the Battle Of Kosovo, the first Ottoman invasion of Serbia. He killed Sultan Murad I in the battle.

Battle of Shipka Pass, Sigismund of Luxembourg were also written on his magazines. Vienna 1683, Josue Estebanez, and Feliks Kazimierz were on his mags too.

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588 points · 4 days ago

Thank you for the correction.

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308 points · 4 days ago

No problem

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Man you guys are as smart and polite as I wish I was

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He also glorified Anders Breivek, I think, the guy who killed all those children in Norway.

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267 points · 3 days ago

He did indeed. Got some kind of “blessing” from him according to his manifesto.

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How would Breivek be able to do that considering he is in jail?

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162 points · 3 days ago

The blessing was given by the Knights Templar group that Breivik was a part of, supposedly.

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37 points · 3 days ago

I've never heard about a KT link with AB do you have any links etc pls?

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54 points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

Anders said he met up with someone in Africa around 2004-2006. When he was there he claimed that he had joined an organization called the knights templar but none of this was ever verified. It was all hearsay from his manifesto. edit: Spelling mistake

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115 points · 3 days ago

It is insane that killing NZ muslims in friday prayer with references to Ottoman Empire was making sense to those murderers.

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2.9k points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

I read through the manifesto and while it’s pretty rambling he definitely got his motivations across. He’s an Aussie and chose New Zealand because that’s a country nobody would think this could happen, he believes muslims are invaders and since “Europeans” can’t outbreed them he wants to start a war against them. He hopes that this will push the left in the states to repeal the 2nd amendment causing extreme polarization and eventual fracturing on the states. He identified as a racist, eco-fascist and terrorist but doesn’t believe that Nazis exist tho he could be considered a new-nazi. He believes he will be released as a hero in 27 years similar to Nelson Mandela. And he had a few old 4chan copypastas in there which kinda makes me think he browsed either /b/ or /pol/.

Edit - victims supports have been set up, if you’d like to donate you can find a few ways here

And to those trying to rationalize his thoughts or his actions please stop. He was an individual filled with hate and hate can’t be rationalized. His manifesto was a contradictory mess and should be taken as the ramblings of a man that wasn’t right in the head. No matter your thoughts on immigration, religion or tolerance everybody should be able to agree that peaceful people attempting to attend their house of worship shouldn’t have to worry about a gunman showing up. He is a terrorist and his aim was to terrorize and there’s no rationalization in the world that can even attempt to justify the crimes he’s committed.

Edit 2 - I’m not going to link his manifesto so please stop asking.

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1.4k points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

Sounds like a major narcissist. He’s gonna feel like an idiot after a few years of the internet not poisoning his mind.

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He reminds me a lot of that Norwegian dude, Brevek?

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281 points · 3 days ago

I think that name was written on one of his guns.

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111 points · 3 days ago

Breivik also had some "Norse" gibberish written on his guns.

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113 points · 3 days ago

Anders Behring Breivik, born 13 February 1979, is a Norwegian far-right terrorist who committed the 2011 Norway attacks. On 22 July 2011, he killed eight people by detonating a van bomb amid Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then shot dead 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League summer camp on the island of Utøya

This guy. That was just 7 years ago.

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310 points · 3 days ago

Yup. And please, please don't believe all the grandiose things narcissists say about themselves, including their motivations. If you had believed ABB, he had planned everything from age 4 on. Reality is, he'd tried hard to fit in with immigrant tagger gangs just a few years earlier, and had relatively recently reinvented himself as an online antijihadist.

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Whatever the real story is, this shit was far too well executed for us not to take it somewhat seriously. Citywide coordinated attacks with multiple trained gunmen.

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448 points · 3 days ago

So... people see a vid of someone mass murdering people in cold blood and the go "what a legend" cause he used a pewdiepie meme? what is humanity

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What an embarassing thread to read

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901 points · 4 days ago

Nazi symbolism and a Crusader fetish.

Why am I not surprised?

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Straight up Nazi symbol on his plate carrier https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol)

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87 points · 4 days ago

Was it not the Slavic Kolovrat?

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Damn "remember lads to sub to Pewdiepie" is not gonna be good for Pewdiepie

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1.5k points · 4 days ago

Wait, did it actually fucking say that?

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yeah and then he signed off like he was on a Vlog... well he essentially was, which is the fucked up part. It reminded alot of those super produced isis videos.

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1.1k points · 3 days ago

He is 100% of the 8chan mentality, humor and all.

His manifesto had the fucking Navy SEAL copypasta in it

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384 points · 3 days ago

No fucking way

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Did it acrually say that? Uh oh

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1.1k points · 4 days ago

His manifesto states that one of his goals is to cause a civil war in the United States by escalating cultural and political tensions.

I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.

I wonder if that's why he did stuff like say "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" and say in the manifesto the person who most inspired his radicalization was Candace Owens (an idiot but obviously not an inspiration for something like this) - he's deliberately encouraging more coverage of the shooting and enabling divisive media narratives by trying to tar others by association.

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420 points · 3 days ago

Ah the old “abuse a right til it gets taken” tactic.

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459 points · 3 days ago

In such a weird way, too. “I’m gonna shoot a bunch of people to prove that guns are bad so that the American left will try to take guns away and then a bunch more people will get murdered with guns.” Like hey buddy, did you ever stop and think that just maybe, you might not be on the right side of this one?

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220 points · 3 days ago

I’m gonna shoot a bunch of people to prove that guns are bad so that the American left will try to take guns away and then a bunch more people will get murdered with guns

I read parts of his manifesto, he thinks this will push Europeans and Americans closer, if not all the way, to a race war that whites will win and kick out the non-whites.

He basically said that he knows people will see this as wrong, but they haven't realized yet how their country has been invaded by minorities and how destructive they are; that's why he believes that in ~30 years, he'll be seen as a hero.

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242 points · 3 days ago

Yeah Manson was pretty sure it was going to play that way too

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205 points · 3 days ago

You'd think after all these years of these morons trying to start a race war they'd eventually realize it's not going to happen, that they're the only ones that want it to happen, that the majority of people just want to live their lives peacefully.

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They are delusional.

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50 points · 3 days ago

And when he was driving away he was fucking listening to "Gas Gas Gas".

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I think the internet just willed a fucking greentext to life.

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478 points · 4 days ago

Also posted to 8chan beforehand as well it seems

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Dumped a bunch of links on his Twitter too (apparently), presumably a manifesto or some other deranged shit

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I perused that fucking manifesto...it's long.

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I’ll pass, to be honest.

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304 points · 4 days ago · edited 4 days ago

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new zealand police have released a statement on facebook just a few minutes ago (4 PM new zeland time, about an hour after I posted this comment). 1 suspect is in custody, believed to be the shooter. They have confirmed attacks on two separate mosques, no mention of any situation at the hospital. The police cannot confirm if the shooter had any accomplices planning similar attacks, so the police have explicitly requested that anyone who is thinking of attending any mosques in new zealand not to go, close your doors, and stay indoors. They will provide more updates as the situation is contained.

please do not post anything in these comments at this time that could endanger anyone's life. Don't post police movements or locations of victims or anything of that sort. If you are in the area act with extreme caution, there is still the possibility of unexploded bombs and other shooters.

/e4

https://twitter.com/nzpolice/status/1106391398020874241

Police believe there may be other offenders....

if you are in the area, treat it as an active situation! Stay safe

/e5 there are now pictures of police arresting two different suspects, one in camo and one in black, and there is a cell phone video of the two suspects together both wielding rifles. It seems confirmed that this was a coordinated attack by at least 2+ attackers. Unknown if there are any more. Police are now imploring all people in the country do not go to a mosque today no matter what, and any mosques in the country should close their doors immediately

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518 points · 4 days ago

Props to the guy who tried to rush him. Died a hero.

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Later in the video he's complaining that all his mags fell out when the guy rushed him. That guy certainly saved lives.

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139 points · 4 days ago

It was his tac light. He had it on strobe. Even in daylight Most people are surprised at how bright the flashlight I keep with me is. He definitely made it tackle distance but got disoriented.

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I hope we know the name of the man that so bravely rushed the shooter. I hope the killers name is struck from existence and the names of the victims and that courageous man charging the killer are all that’s remembered. Fucking cowardly act.

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83 points · 4 days ago · edited 3 days ago

Oh lord - is that what he did? I couldn't tell if he tried to rush him or was panic running for the door. So fucking sad. One of the worst things I've ever seen.

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Shooter/streamer is in custody. Police chief has said there may be more shooters.

https://twitter.com/jacksonw____/status/1106393314838769665?s=21

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1.8k points · 4 days ago

Shooter/streamer is a conjunction I never want to see again

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It's not the first time. I remember the news team that was gunned down.

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495 points · 3 days ago

And that poor elderly black man who was executed on Facebook live.

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Also that autistic kid that got tortured on FB live. No guns, but still.

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2 more. A total of 3 incidents. 1 was an Australian.

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This might sound bad, but Ive thought for a while now that it was only a matter of time before someone livestreamed themselves commiting a mass murder. These people are attention craving psychopaths. It's sad to say, but I think this is going to inspire more people to record themselves doing this shit. This is so fucked up.

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Actually mass shootings spike exactly 14 days after a previous one. Indicating one can trigger another, likely due to media attention.

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I’ve heard it compared to a slow moving riot.

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Malcolm Gladwell’s New Yorker piece. It’s a good read:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence

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This has been done before though. Not on such a large scale but people have definitely live streamed themselves shooting others before.

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